Kambo: Choosing Yourself & the Courage to Change Your Life with Christy McCranie

Lina Midla (: 01:12

Welcome back to LIMITLESS with Lina Earlier this summer, I did something I had been feeling called toward for a while. I took myself on a solo retreat to Georgia for three consecutive days of kambo ceremonies. And to understand why I felt called to it, you have to understand a little bit about the season that I was in. Evolution is part of my soul codes, and I'm always

Becoming, always curious about what's underneath the next layer, always willing to meet the next version of myself. And this summer marked a pretty significant threshold for me. The LIMITLESS Studio hit its one-year anniversary. We had built something incredible. Things were moving, things were working, but that first year was a massive undertaking and a huge sprint.

So much building, leading, creating, problem solving, mothering, coaching, holding space, and constantly doing 17 things at once. And I knew I didn't want to just carry all of that momentum straight into year two without stopping long enough to meet myself inside of what I had created.

And I want to be clear, I wasn't looking for kambo to fix me. I wasn't even entirely sure what I was looking for. I just knew I needed to get out of my normal environment, out of my roles, out of the constant motion and spend a few days deeply with myself,

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And that led me into Christy McCranie's world. I started to follow her, listen to what she shared, I engaged with her content. And there was something about both the medicine and the way that Christy held and spoke about this work that I felt really drawn toward. And so eventually I stopped circling it and went for it.

And that decision led me to three pretty tremendous days that I, if I'm being honest, am still integrating. I'm saving that full story for a separate solo episode where we can dive into all of that. And today you get to hear about this experience from a completely different seat because I'm sitting down with the woman who held that container for me. And kambo is really only one chapter of Christy's much bigger story.

Christy McCranie knows what it's like to build a life that looks successful from the outside while feeling trapped on the inside. She co-founded and scaled a family business to a $24 million exit, homeschooled five children,

And at 52, Christy chose herself for the first time. She filed for divorce, deconstructed her entire worldview, and began what she calls the most important work of her life coming back into her body.

Today at 56, Christy is a kambo practitioner working with individuals, small groups, partners, and couples with a particular passion for helping people move through transitions, evolve together, and become what she calls circuit breakers in their lineage. And we have a lot to talk about today. So, Christy, welcome to LIMITLESS with Lina

Christy McCranie (: 04:45

Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Lina Midla (: 04:48

I'm so glad to have you here. And before we get into, I've said kambo a bunch of times. I'm sure my listeners are like, okay, what is kambo? I know the first time that I mentioned it to my husband, he's like, you mean like the pretzels with the cheese inside? And I was like, different spelling, way different thing. but before we get into that, I want I want people to understand the woman sitting across from me because your path to this work is such an important part of this conversation.

Christy McCranie (: 05:16

Yeah, I spent the better half of my whole life, but especially about 30 years, as a just far right Christian wife and mom. And I believed really strongly in the roles that each gender was supposed to play. And the way I interpreted scripture and following Jesus at that point was that my job was to submit, and my husband's job was to be out in the world doing all the things.

I got pregnant with my first son. I went on to have five kids.

And I can even look back at pictures of me then.

And it's just like a completely different timeline because I was struggling more and more over the years with depression and I eventually anxiety because I wasn't I knew I knew I was to be a mom and a wife, but I was not doing it in accordance with my system at all. I was doing it the way the structure said to do it, and the way I interpreted the structure. So after 27 years and the marriage had gotten pretty bad.

The last 10, I would guess. Eventually I had a light bulb moment when my sister made a comment to me about her perspective of where the marriage was at. And I I I knew in a minute, like, I just saw it. And that one moment of accepting the truth of how bad it was, really for both of us, not just for me, just cracked the door. And within a week, I filed for divorce and

At that point, I had been very isolated because I was so far right. I had such binary thoughts about how to be a good Christian wife and mom that I didn't have a lot of friends. So I had one very particular friend who lived the same way I lived. And when I filed for divorce, she broke up with me.

and at that point I was like, binary thinking, all in, all out. so I went through the next two years just very alone in it. I didn't have my friend, I didn't have my religion, I didn't have my husband. So it was a really scary

lonely time. And it was, as you said, through finding Christine Nault that things started to open up a little bit because I had reached my peak with talk therapy. I was like, I'm not getting anywhere. It was very helpful for a while, but I'm like, I'm stuck. And I came to that fork in the road where you think I gotta do something I said I'd never do. And Christy Nault came across my feed and the idea of microdosing

came across my feed and I was like, well, I got nothing to lose at this point. This I was at rock bottom. So I started with her and then it just escalated from there. As soon as I started with the microdosing, I was able to think new ways and reprogram some things And I'm almost five years out of the divorce and I would say it was year three that the fog started to lift and I was able to start thinking more intentionally about well, what do I want my life to look like now?

So that's how that path started.

Lina Midla (: 08:15

thank you first of all for being so vulnerable and and sharing that. I think it's it's really hard when you think you have everything figured out to allow yourself to pivot, to be wrong, to be vulnerable and and to move forward, especially when there are already so many stakes in the ground. Like how do you how do you move all of that?

And so with that in mind, I'm I'm curious about what your first experience with kambo was like. How did that come come up?

Christy McCranie (: 08:46

So that came up. I did several of Christy Nault's programs and then she threw out on Instagram, that she had this retreat and the dates lined up. I just signed up. I had never heard of kambo. I didn't read anything about the retreat. I didn't even know I was doing kambo. I just was like, Christy's doing it, she's been helpful, I'm going. So I got there completely blind and frankly so profoundly hung over.

And just faking it because I'm like, I'm with all these wellness people. I mean, I hadn't read the paperwork. I didn't even know you weren't supposed to drink for a couple of weeks coming in, if possible. So I didn't know anything. And I start reading the paperwork. And I called my partner and I'm like, I should have paid more attention. There is burning involved. Like, what have I signed up for? But I d I was more nervous to quit.

And be like, I'm not doing this. Then I I just couldn't look the other women in the face. There were eight of us like I I can't do it. so I just walked in totally blind, which for me ended up being good because with I literally had zero expectations. I no idea what the medicine was, where it came from, or what it might do. And that really was just perfect for me. I that's what I needed to show up.

Lina Midla (: 09:58

How did you go from receiving kambo in this retreat setting to wanting to facilitate this work for others?

Christy McCranie (: 10:08

So what I ended up doing, that retreat is five days and you sit with kambo three days in a row, what we call an inoculation, which you did. and then I went back and did the retreat again with a friend and did it three more days. In between that, I went to Arizona to my practitioner, Kiki, and my partner and I did it. So I knew from the first sit that this was for me. Like I it was a they were very difficult sits because I had been so disassociated.

for so long that a lot of physical and emotional pain that I had been through had just been totally suppressed. And my my first sit was very light dosing of kambo. And my body was like, we're gonna we're gonna feel all the things that you've been suppressing so that we can get rid of them. So over the course of time, my first seven were very difficult. But every sit I could feel myself releasing

grief and resentment and sadness and so every I would come out of everyone just a little bit more in touch with me and it kept me going back. And then the last retreat I did, I said to our practitioner Kiki, I would like to be able to serve myself and maybe my partner at home to keep this going. Do you train people to do that?

And she just looked at me and she's just had the sweetest smile. And she's like, Why would you only serve yourself? And it had not

Lina Midla (: 11:34

Mm.

Christy McCranie (: 11:34

occurred to me, So the light bulb went off again. And I was like, you know, why would I? This is it did so much.

to bring me back home to me that and I'm in a season where I can offer that to other people. I was like, absolutely. So it was just a small prompt by her to not just look at me and mine, but look broader and offer it to more people.

Lina Midla (: 12:00

you just gave me chills amazing. I'm so grateful that she she planted that seed for you. so yes, we've been kind of talking loosely about kambo, kambo, kambo, burning, ceremony.

Christy McCranie (: 12:14

Yeah.

Lina Midla (: 12:16

Okay, let's talk about what is kambo. And kambo, just for those who are listening, is spelled K-A-M-B-O. So what is kambo?

Christy McCranie (: 12:27

Okay, so it's a secretion from a South American frog. They call the frog in or catch the frog and they scrape the their protective layer. They don't actually don't have any enemies now. They have nothing to protect themselves from. But when they stress out, they s they secrete this mucus that they scrape off the frog and they dry it on a bamboo stick or some form of stick. And

what they use it for in the Amazon is largely hunting. They will sit with the medicine in order to clear what they call Panema which is essentially bad luck or a heaviness. And they'll also use it for practical things like infertility or sickness or spiritual stuckhness. And the purpose in the Amazon is that every member of the tribe can stand up and be who they need to be for the tribe.

Lina Midla (: 13:17

Hmm.

Christy McCranie (: 13:18

So

It releases the things that are in the way, the black cloud or the bad luck. So bringing it to us here, the way that it's applied is a very small incense stick is used to burn a really small top layer of skin. It's super small. You've been through it. Most people are most nervous about that. And then they're like, it's not that big a deal. And then we apply that secretion onto that little burn area. And because we've taken off the top layer of skin.

It's able to be absorbed through your lymphatic system. And it what it does is not a psychedelic. What it drop does is drop you hard into your body. It pretty much is like you need to feel this and you're going to survive it. And for someone like me that really fought it, it was a very lots of very uncomfortable ceremonies sitting with the medicine.

But now on the other side of that, having released, like I said, all the grief and resentment and the difficulties, like you, your sit was so beautiful, I'm able to sit with kambo and it's not a battle. It's not necessarily physically painful. It's more of a relationship now. But back to your original question, it's a secretion from a frog. And I think what a lot of people misunderstand is because everyone's heard of ayahuasca, it's it's not it's nothing like that.

And because it's topical, you put it on and you can take it off at any point. If it's too much, we wipe it off. typical sit will last 20 to 40 minutes. But I've had in one of my sits, I had more medicine on than my blood pressure liked. So my practitioners simply wiped it off. And then and you're never disassociated, you're always very present and able to communicate how you're doing.

Lina Midla (: 15:09

I remember that from my sit is that you really don't have an option to think about anything else or focus on anything else. It reminds me a little bit too of when you get into an ice bath. yes, you drop into fight or flight pretty quickly. but then as you allow yourself to surrender, you really can't be anywhere else but in that felt sense experience. And for me, that's really what drew me to kambo. I wasn't.

looking, searching for something outside of myself, something that pulled me out of my body. And again, so much of my work is about coming back into your body. And I think that that gift of this medicine is what really drew me in to be more grounded, more in my body, more present rather than being so in my head and all over the place all the time.

Christy McCranie (: 16:05

Well, that's why our work is really similar to me because if we could think our way out of our situation, especially as women, we'd have done it by now. But we forget that the emotions and the trauma, whatever it is, goes into your body. And unless you give that a a way of of escaping, which an ice bath will do, kambo will there's lots of ways to do it. This is just the tool that really hit for me and it's obviously hit for you as well.

I think we're just short-sighted in thinking if I if I talk about it, it should be resolved. And it's especially for Christians that are supposed to forgive, right? We got to forgive our enemies, forgive the things that are done to us and that we do to ourselves. Cognitively we can do that. And then we think of that situation, we still tense up or cry, we still feel it. So kambo gets it out of the body for you so that it's actually gone.

'Cause you can't think your your way out of those things. It's just not enough.

Lina Midla (: 17:07

a hundred percent,

I'm also curious about the other physiological benefits of working with kambo, because aside from

being an intense experience

Christy McCranie (: 17:17

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 17:18

where you meet yourself and are in in the experience, in your body, in all of the things. What else is kambo doing for you?

Christy McCranie (: 17:27

It is a surge of peptides. So it triggers your body to heal itself. And people have had fairly in the moment miraculous, like it certain pain they've had for a long time and their body is gone, or the real work of kambo tends to happen after ceremony because you don't it just keeps working. It it's re

Programming the way you think, letting you see things different, because you're going to see the world different if you're no longer mad at everybody or grieving or whatever, whatever it is. So it keeps going so that physically you start feeling better and better and better. And I've served people coming out of a ceremony that just want to go on a trail run because those peptides are like, Whoo, I feel great, and off I go. And other people that want to nap and rest, it can go either way.

In the end, it's starting a chain of events so that your body can do for you what it has been trying to do for years.

Lina Midla (: 18:29

Amazing. And I think you can correct me if I'm wrong. I think there are also benefits of the the purging of parasites and fungus and bacterial overgrowth and and all of that

Christy McCranie (: 18:38

my. Mm-hmm. Indeed,

Lina Midla (: 18:42

as well. Yeah.

Christy McCranie (: 18:43

absolutely. And the parasite thing is really huge because they not only do they deplete your minerals and your vitamins, but they also hold the energy of different things. Like for me, when I had a huge parasite release, wasn't even during a parasite cleanse, it was after kambo ceremonies, and I have processed a ton.

ton of grief about my relationship with my sisters and it had really gotten released from my body and then I go to the restroom and I'm like holy moly what's going on so the kambo itself does attack parasites and will kill parasites but also as you release the energy that those parasites are also feeding on it

Lina Midla (: 19:25

Mm.

Christy McCranie (: 19:26

those they die off they can't they can't sustain. So and then as those are released you start

maintaining those vitamins and minerals that you needed that they were taking. I mean, you just so you slowly start feeling better and better and better

Lina Midla (: 19:42

Amazing. So is purging the point of kambo?

Christy McCranie (: 19:46

So a lot and and I know a lot of the listeners have never heard of it. So purging is a part of kambo for sure. What it it's it typically makes everybody feel nauseous. But throwing up for me, the way that I practice is not the point. A lot of people do throw up. I honestly have never thrown up on kambo because you can

Purge other ways. I get very, very shaky. Sometimes I've cried. Sometimes I've screamed my head off. Whatever your body needs to get rid of, if you will just let it happen while you're in the medicine, I I had a gal that was just punching pillows, just all that anger coming. It wouldn't have, it wouldn't have been as productive if she had just thrown up. She needed to physically get that old anger and resentment.

So if you sit with kambo, you do expect some form of purge, but it's not always throwing up. Some people need to get to the bathroom real quick, it's coming out that side. We take care of that too. But a purge can happen a billion ways. Cause the goal is to get rid of what no longer serves. So it's gotta get out some way.

Lina Midla (: 20:59

Love that response. so let's talk about what the kambo experience and journey is like. Like where where does it begin? What are the steps? What are the sensations? what is it, what does it feel like once the medicine is wiped off? And and and let's start with just the brass tacks of

how kambo is administered, what sensations you can feel and and move from there.

Christy McCranie (: 21:27

Well, taking it back just one step, if you if you're thinking of sitting with kambo, you would have a discovery call with a practitioner with me where we can go over any possible contraindications. We want to make sure that your body is ready for kambo. And there are certain heart conditions and and blood pressure issues, certain medications, pregnancy, where you'd be like, You don't want to sit with it right now. That wouldn't that wouldn't serve you. but once we get through that, if you're cleared for the medical, then

The ceremony for one person tends to last a couple of hours. And we start with a short meditation, opening the container to allow the medicine of kambo, and we use two other medicines if if people would like, which are hapé, a ceremonial tobacco that goes up your nose, and sananga, which is eye drops that we use, and the purpose of going step by step, first sananga, then hapé, then kambo.

is first of all most people are nervous coming in. So

Lina Midla (: 22:28

Mm-hmm.

Christy McCranie (: 22:28

it's it's the slow glide, right?

Lina Midla (: 22:31

It it's it's

so I think it's important to be nervous. I even like when I again I keep call calling this back to to cold because it's it's similar in terms of like the extremeness and the novelty of an experience. But whenever anybody tells me that they're they're nervous to get into the ice bath or something, my response is I'm relieved. Like I would be I would be nervous if you weren't nervous

Christy McCranie (: 22:52

If you were.

Lina Midla (: 22:53

about about doing something. Like what's going on that you're not nervous? so I

Christy McCranie (: 22:56

Yes. Well, and practitioners

tend to draw in similar vibes, right? Similar energy. So I haven't had a a adrenaline junkie reach out to me yet. Like, I just want to show up and I want all the medicine I like. I think they'd be drawn to somebody else because our nervous systems have been through so much. The goal here is to support it in the release, not blast it like like you like just get in the bath and shove their head down. Like, no, that would not serve.

That doesn't help. So yeah, we're taking them in really slow. And the happy and sananga are, you know, you can decide if you are comfortable with that or not coming into any ceremony, but they help you drop into your parasympathetic nervous system. And then you drink up to a liter or a little bit more of water. And the purpose of that is if you're going to physically purge, if you're gonna throw up, nobody wants to dry heave. And when you come into ceremony, you've not eaten from the night.

So we typically have ceremony early the next morning. So you've got no food in your stomach. And then we add some electrolytes to the water and you drink the liter or so of water. And the goal there is to feel quite full. I'm not the kind of practitioners like you have to drink two liters of water, and then it's we're going for fullness to help if you purge. Then I would open the gates. So the way they do it in the Amazon is women are served on their lower.

inner ankle and men are served on their upper arm. So if you've never sat with it before, I would if you're a female, I would open one gate, the little incense burn on the inside of whichever ankle that we've decided, and then topically apply the medicine. And I would start a timer and there's music going and we have blankets, we have a bucket right there, like whatever you need. I have a fan if you need it.

My purpose at that point is just to watch and hold space. The medicine comes on a little slower from the leg. If you get served on the arm, it tends to the closer you are to the heart, the faster you feel it. But it tends to feel like a flushing. You feel a heat coming up your chest and through your head, and it it kind of moves in waves that way.

And you'll start almost everybody starts to feel nauseous. Again, that doesn't mean you're going to throw up, but start to feel nausea. And about five minutes you've hit a peak where it's like, okay, we're there now. Now what's it gonna do? And to sit with it for 20 to 40 minutes, you really do experience this like, I feel totally fine. I think I'm done. Nope, I'm not done. Right now I'm shaking, now I'm crying, whatever. And sometimes people will process out loud the emotions that they're letting go.

And I will sit and listen to your stories. And other people go very quiet and it's it's very internal, no thoughts at all, or lots of thoughts. Everybody sit is so individualized. and so I'm watching the timer, I'm watching your breathing, I'm watching your blood pressure largely. Sometimes I'll I'll check your blood pressure, but largely just based on your color. Somebody's going quite pale, okay, how are you doing?

And there's even a cool thing called frog face where when I'm in kambo I tend to get on my hands and knees. It's just more comfortable and rock. I need a lot of movement. And it's like Botox for your face, man. It'll just kind of puff up a little bit. and last for an hour or two. It doesn't last long. But

Once you either feel complete, which you just know, it's just a knowing. Like I think this is done. or we hit about 40 minutes and it's like, well, how are you doing? Then I simply wipe the medicine off and put some dragon's blood on it just to seal it, keep it from getting infected. That's a that's nothing woo-woo. That's an essential oil with a crazy name. and you lay down

Lina Midla (: 26:50

Cool name.

Christy McCranie (: 26:50

and rest. It's a cool name.

but the first time Kiki put it on me, I was like, I'm sorry, what are you what is what is this? Dragon this is dragon's blood? Like what is that code for? But and then you lay down and rest while I go get you some food ready, something to because you haven't eaten, you know, it it's noon, one o'clock by that point. and some people are quite hungry after and some people are not. But it's

Basically a two hour ceremony that you come out of fully cognitive. You can drive yourself home once you've given yourself a minute if that's the situation that we're in. You may want to go nap, you may want to get around people and go for a walk. But it leaves you cognitively able to go on with your day, however your body says you should do that. I don't recommend going back to work, but some people have to. I got I gotta work this afternoon. So if that were like a requirement, you could.

But, you know, ideally like you, you want to take three days, if possible, get away from your normal work environment and really just let it do its thing and give your body and your mind time to process it as it goes.

Lina Midla (: 28:00

Beautiful. And I think what's interesting too, and again, this is mirrors the the the cold world or or any other experience that asks you to meet yourself. I think that everyone experiences it differently, and every time you sit with it is a different experience because it's meeting you where you're at. other things that that kind of happened for me, I I remember with with our kambo sits was

The first was like the flushing and I really enjoyed that sensation. Like, my God, it just felt like my face was hot and warm. It just felt like like drinking coffee from within almost. And then

Christy McCranie (: 28:40

I love that.

Lina Midla (: 28:41

and then the heart rate. Like I could hear my heart pounding in my ears, which I also weirdly enjoyed. Like I just felt very alive and

Christy McCranie (: 28:52

Yeah.

Lina Midla (: 28:53

it's like, it's working. And then

the nausea set in. And I I know I experienced I experienced on my third day my purge was more tears based. and not like a weep, but just like a steady stream of of tears

Christy McCranie (: 29:07

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 29:07

that I wasn't even aware of necessarily in that moment. I had some shaking, I know, on the first and second sit. And I only I only threw up the first sit this time round. But

Before we kind of get into a little bit more of of the experience that I had and which I want to hear from your perspective as well, I'm curious about gate application and kind of what are the options? So if we start with the ankle for women, we start with the the shoulder for men, where else can we apply gates? Where should we not apply gates?

Christy McCranie (: 29:43

Yeah. So the way I was trained, you don't apply gates to the front of the torso. There are practitioners that do that. But the closer the gates are to the heart, the stronger it's going to hit. so for me, like day one, we start ankle or shoulder. Day two typically will move closer to the heart. That can mean chakras, or for women, if you did the ankle, I want to try the arm or the upper shoulder. But every

Every ceremony, it's super important to come in with intention. Even if your intention is, I just want to be more grounded in my body. It doesn't have to be specific, or it can be 15 very specific things. I want to feel better about this, that, and the other, and like bring it all. And often the chakras will match that, right? If you have a broken heart, if you're grieving things, we might want to do your heart chakra, right? But kambo is going to go where you need it no matter what. So I think picking the

Placement of the gates has more to do with embedding you in those intentions, like I can let go of this grief, I can let go of this anger, or I can receive joy. So the receiving side can be way harder. We're we're all pretty used to feeling the negatives, but I want to be able to receive it and express joy and happiness and all the good things. So that's so day two tends to be the strongest sit of the three.

We'll apply a little bit more medicine if that serves you and we're closer to the heart. And then day three tends to be we kind of go well, my example is always that it's a door. Day one, we're turning the doorknob. So we're introducing you to the medicine. The first five minutes you'll only have one gate for sure to make sure that you two are compatible. You and Kambo are working well together, and then we can always layer more. Day two, we're opening the door. So we're applying more medicine or different areas and it'll come on.

typically a little stronger. And then day three, you're walking through the door. So you've really experienced what kambo has to offer ish. I mean two sits is still if you're building a relationship with this medicine in the end you'll realize like it's always changing. but day three, you're walking through the door and that historically for me serving people is kind of putting a bow on it. For a lot of people they have to travel back home that day. So I've noticed kambo come in a gentle

like end of date hug type like this was good hope to see you again you know what I mean I've not yet seen it blast somebody on the on the last day because it it knows what your body needs and most people don't need to get blasted and then shot back home on day three. so each day is really different that way in general and for each person.

And back to your question about where we

Lina Midla (: 32:29

I yeah.

Christy McCranie (: 32:31

put the gates.

Lina Midla (: 32:32

Yes. I think my my biggest lesson for myself in terms of planning a retreat around it was I think I would have been better served to wait one more day before flying home. Because in the back of my I I flew out the evening of our our third ceremony sit. And I think

in

For me, there was a little bit of worry around am I gonna be able to like drag myself to the airport? And

Christy McCranie (: 32:58

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 33:00

I mean, it all ended up being just fine, but I think energetically having that spaciousness for one more afternoon and evening before flying out,

Christy McCranie (: 33:09

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 33:09

that's what I would do next time. And that's what I would recommend to anyone looking to to travel to to experience kambo.

Christy McCranie (: 33:19

talked about when you flew home and you pretty immediately said I should have spent the night one more night. I have the same thought. I need to start advising people to do that because when I sat with kambo and the way I did life before, you just do what's gotta be done, right? I gotta go. So off I go. And when you said that, I was like, you know, I've done that so many times that that's old.

programming, I need to remember that and be like, you can fly home that day, but but learn what both of us have learned, like having that spaciousness afterwards is if possible, is more gentle to the system. So take it if you can.

Lina Midla (: 33:55

Yeah, absolutely. so I kind of want to delve into working with you specifically as a facilitator and our experience working together. So I reached out to Christy because I followed you on on Instagram and was

doing all of my behind the scenes work to figure you out who you were, what you stood for, why you were doing the work you were doing and everything, because the the wellness facilitation space, the spiritual facilitation space is not regulated. And and and that's okay. I think that gives opportunity for for people who are really called and really gifted to.

To advance and to and to bring people into healing and into incredible containers. However, we all have to use our discernment to ensure that the person who is holding you in your most vulnerable, truly vulnerable state, is there in your best interest and not to stroke their own ego or

you know, just be focused on the monetization and just thinking of you as a transaction that gets you to the next transaction and potentially advises you to do things that aren't in your best interest, but you know, impacts

Christy McCranie (: 35:26

100 percent.

Lina Midla (: 35:27

their bottom line. And there's, you know, I've heard so many stories of facilitators who are so tied to the catharsis of the experience.

You know, whether it's tied to the fact that if you don't throw up doing kambo, then we haven't pushed you hard enough. Or if you haven't completely broken down and wept during a breathwork session, then we haven't we haven't gotten there, we haven't pushed you hard enough, which is really tied to the ego of the facilitator. And

Christy McCranie (: 35:54

Mm hmm. That's right.

Lina Midla (: 35:57

that that's one thing I I I want to caution people of when when looking to engage with alternative care is

really start to understand who you are working with, what the energetic codes there are, and where their where their own ego lies in in the work and and their reason for doing the work. And in for you, Christy, it was interesting. I was listening to your podcast recording with with Christy Nault yesterday and she called you the the kambo mom and that's like exactly like mother kambo like is exactly the

the pull that I felt toward you is just this incredible nurturing and motherly energy that I knew I would be able to show up and not perform, not try to grit it through to get an A plus or you know to be like, my God, you're you you have all these gates open. You're incredible. Like this is a like not

Christy McCranie (: 36:58

Yeah.

Lina Midla (: 36:59

not going with my old programming of

performance. and and that really is the the first intention that I came in with was letting go of performance and allowing to for whatever to come through to come through as it was. you know, not

Christy McCranie (: 37:20

You had such

a release around that too.

Lina Midla (: 37:23

Yeah. so I wanted to put in that little caveat about when you're looking for a facilitator, making sure it's someone that really jives with you. and now I kind of want to dip into our three day ceremonial sit. we had a discovery call together. You sent me an incredible PDF of like expectations, things to do, things not to do.

we worked together to find a place for for me to stay that made sense and you know it cleared my schedule, showed up the night before, made sure I finished

Christy McCranie (: 38:00

To serve you

in my home, which was sweet. Sweet.

Lina Midla (: 38:03

it was amazing. Like stopped

eating at 8 p.m. I I honestly I have to bring this up. The thing that I was the most nervous about, and I and I told Christy this the the day before I arrived, I think or a couple days before. I have not gone without caffeine for 10 years. My daughter is 10 years old. when I was pregnant with her, I was

fortunately able to forgo caffeine. And then from the moment she was born onward, it's been caffeine every day of my life. Even if I'm sick, there's some form of caffeine working its way in. So I was so nervous about the potential withdrawal from caffeine. even though the kambo experience is not like much different probably from caffeine withdrawal.

Christy McCranie (: 38:45

Well a caffeine

withdraw headache is no joke. I'm I I knew we were soul sisters when that was your lead question because that was one of my lead questions.

Lina Midla (: 38:57

rest, you know, the rest I can handle. Like not eating cool, not not drinking any water, sure. But tell me about the caffeine piece. but I I came in day one, we we smudged the space, we we sat down, we meditated together. I did participate in the Sananga eye drops, which for me felt like it feels a little bit like you got like soap in your eye for like 30 seconds

Christy McCranie (: 39:23

Mm-hmm. That's a good yeah.

Lina Midla (: 39:24

or so.

and then it really does kind of like you just kind of like you can drop in from that place. And next we we sat with Hapé, which has turned into for me a really incredible tool that I'm really working with a lot now in the integration process post kambo. but it is a ceremonial tobacco often mixed with the ash of other plants to

Christy McCranie (: 39:50

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 39:51

impact the body in a different way. Again, not a psychedelic, really beautiful ceremony. that for me was like there's an initial like whoosh that you feel, and then you drop really far into yourself. And depending on which one you're you're exploring or what your intention is, you can feel your energy kind of going different places, like either

out or in or through your heart or you know up into the space above your head into that a crown chakra area and that was a really beautiful experience for me and then day one we opened up two gates to start on my right ankle and that initial experience felt like the heat and the rush and

Felt a little bit of not like the nausea wasn't there. And I remember saying, There's the nausea. Like I said that out loud. I was like, there's the nausea. and I personally have a lot of fear around throwing up. but I had prepared myself, which is what reason why kambo was a no for me for a long time was like, I'm not interested in throwing up. and as I learned more about it and who I became and what I needed changed, I invited.

that discomfort into the conversation. And I remember I was sitting there, we applied a third gate on my on my right ankle. And I sat with the nausea and you had we were sitting on this really beautiful green rug and I was fixated on one square on that rug. And you you mentioned that for you it was all about movement.

Feel like my life is all about movement, but what kambo called me into was extreme stillness. I I I think I was blinking. I'm not sure. but I was staring.

Christy McCranie (: 41:49

Sure, either

now that you say it, because it was you were very, I mean, just beautiful statue, like not moving at all. And when you said either during or right after, like I like you just said, I'm always moving to be able to find that state where your body is not restless and you can just be is such a relief. And that's what I watched.

Your breathing techniques too. When then when the nausea hits, if you have a breathing practice, it really helps to pull the energy from your stomach and let it release other ways. If you're not really

Lina Midla (: 42:24

Mm.

Christy McCranie (: 42:25

a barfer, I'm not really a barfer either. And so I'm not surprised that when it comes to kambo, that's not how my body releases either. And now I do have I can breathe through it. I had to learn it. You came in knowing that, but a lot of people I serve and for me, it's the first step.

in releasing lots of things. You were way further down the path. So it was just beautiful to watch you just dance with the medicine and let it do its thing.

Lina Midla (: 42:52

Yeah. So that first day, I think I ended up sitting for 38 minutes. And

Christy McCranie (: 42:57

I was gonna say you were about forty every day, weren't you?

Lina Midla (: 43:00

yeah, yeah, I think it was like it was a little ebb and flow, but it was definitely in the in the late 30s. And if I'm being honest, I was watching the time a little bit, but also checking in with myself as as well. but it was what was interesting, and and I'd like to hear your your thoughts on this. so

I went through multiple waves, just as Christy described, kind of like up and down hot and cold, like really sweaty and then really cold, fixating on the one spot, just breathing and and being with myself through it. And at like minute 35, minute 36, out of what felt like nowhere, that's when I threw up. and things really just completely changed after that.

purge after that release. So I'm curious from your perspective, what that looked and felt like.

Christy McCranie (: 43:50

Well, it took me by surprise a little bit, be i timing wise, because when the peak comes earlier, you if somebody is going to throw up purge, it tends to be in that first five to eight minutes. And again, you were so flowy and still, and then the wave hit, and I was just really proud of you for letting it do its thing. Like you didn't I I didn't witness you fight the medicine any day of the sit.

But to have it hit almost at forty minutes, it's not good or bad. It just surprised me. And then you threw up and you're like, Okay. Okay. Not a lot of drama here, but

Lina Midla (: 44:29

Yeah. We're done.

Christy McCranie (: 44:33

A way that your body needed to release something else. And I don't know if you've identified sp anything specific. And sometimes you don't want to overthink, like, what exactly did everything mean? Just let it be. Let it be gone. And sometimes afterwards, trying to remember what you released, the fact that you don't know is a really good thing because it's gone. So you

Lina Midla (: 44:54

Hm.

Christy McCranie (: 44:54

don't have to harp on the details of it. You just notice that your life's different in a better way.

Lina Midla (: 45:00

Yeah, it was it was interesting. I think, again, I think part of it for me was the performance aspect of like, I'm not gonna be a puker. Like I'm not gonna be somebody who throws up doing kambo. I'm gonna be able to handle it. And I was able to work with it to to breathe through the nausea and redirect it elsewhere. And then there's was just that moment where it was like,

Okay, I guess not. Like I guess this is the thing that we need to do. And it just the the energy completely shifted. And then I did need like a good 30 minutes to to rest after that. which which interestingly I didn't even know was part of the process. so I was like, she's letting me sleep. This is great.

Christy McCranie (: 45:42

Okay.

Lina Midla (: 45:44

I must be special. Like this is this is great. and then we had some like really delicious and nutritious soup.

And chips and guacamole. And it was just a really like, that felt so good after that whole experience. And when I went back to the hotel that afternoon, I was staying close to like an outdoor mall area. And I spent the entire afternoon just drifting in and out of stores. And kind of what it felt like for me after that first day was like after you've had really long hard cry.

And you're like

Christy McCranie (: 46:20

Mm.

Lina Midla (: 46:21

stuffy and like cozy and just like like your head's a little bit feels like almost like it's a balloon. And I I felt like a human balloon, just like drifting in and out around people, but not really looking to be in deep conversation, not looking to go for a trail run for sure. but just like existing and calibrating among like the energy of other people.

And what was really interesting for me was I went to bed that night at like 8 45 p.m. And I slept until I think close to 7, 8, 7, 7, 15 a.m. the next morning. But I was tossing and turning a little bit. I developed a little bit of a headache. And by the time that second morning sit rolled around, I was like, I think I'm, I think I'm actually sick. Like I think.

I think what's happening here is that I've gotten sick and the the voices in my head were like, if I didn't have to do three days, if I hadn't already quote unquote paid for three days and being here all this time, like I wouldn't be doing this. Like, what am I? And then all the negativity starts. Like, why am I doing this? This

Christy McCranie (: 47:33

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 47:33

is like like, don't I have enough tools? Aren't I doing enough stuff? I don't feel good at all. And now, like, this was the weekend I carved out for this.

And I remember texting with you in the morning, just expressing like, I might be sick. I don't know if I feel good. and your response was, well, kambo will help with that.

Christy McCranie (: 47:53

That's right.

Lina Midla (: 47:54

and so I dragged my carcass in on that Saturday morning. And we did the Sananga and we did the hapé And what we decided because I wasn't feeling my best, was we did the other ankle and we only opened up

Two gates. And my intention that day was to feel like myself again, to let the medicine help me to to heal. And I don't know if you remember that that sit or not. but that one was was different. It was, it was gentler. I did not throw up, I did not have a big purge that day, but I'm curious if you remember at all kind of how that that day went.

Christy McCranie (: 48:42

After the sit specifically, because talk about mom kambo. I felt I felt terrible that you felt terrible. Like you wanted after the sit, and I do remember it was calmer, but after the sit, you were like, I just want to go back and turn off the lights and go to sleep and then maybe shower. And and I remember you saying, I was hoping that I would feel more energy, like I would just kind of pop out, like, okay, I'm fine now. And you most definitely did not.

feel fine. You were like it felt flu like. And what was impressive to me was that you did exactly what your body asked you to do. Go back, turn off the lights, lie down. And if I recall correctly, you took a shower and then when you woke up, and maybe after that you had coffee, I'm trying to remember which day that was, you were like, I feel I feel a lot better. So from a practitioner's perspective, I think

There's there's a couple ways it could have gone. If you were fighting a virus coming into it, you were feeling the effects of kambo killing it off. And or it was just another form of purging. So it was impressive to me, though, that you didn't push through in a way that was unhealthy. You did show up again, you did do the kambo, but we didn't blast you, and you didn't blast yourself out.

You're like, I need rest. And you gave your body

Lina Midla (: 50:07

Yeah.

Christy McCranie (: 50:07

what it needed, and then you were back.

Lina Midla (: 50:10

Yeah, so we s I think we sat again for close to like 40 minutes, and then I laid down and you went to go warm up the soup and get things ready. And I remember coming upstairs to your kitchen and I had one bite of one Siete chip. And I was like, this is I can't do this. and when I I I you you drove me back to the to the hotel and I get out of the car, and this hotel had like one working elevator, and there was like a wedding in like in town, and there were like it was like full elevator.

And I'm just like standing at the elevators, just like willing myself not to like crawl into a hole in that moment. And I know the story probably from everyone surrounding me like, this girl's real hungover. Like that and that's how it like felt. Like I was just like, my God, I need to turn off the lights and get into bed. And I I got upstairs. I got my like the blinds closed, the noisemaker on, got into bed 75 minutes. I was out cold, just

Gone, dreams, the whole thing. And when I woke up, I I pretty much like, I think I texted you pretty much while when I woke up and was like, there I am.

Christy McCranie (: 51:17

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 51:18

and that afternoon, my energy came back. I went for another long walk around the mall and was like chatting with my mom on the phone and processing all of the things that came through. And now that I'm remembering too, day two for me was.

And I remember saying this to you. the voice in my head is really nice to me. When I was sitting with the medicine, the voice in my head wasn't doing the thing that it normally does when I'm showing up

Christy McCranie (: 51:46

Mm, I do remember that now.

Lina Midla (: 51:48

as weak. And I wasn't just like flogging myself to keep moving forward. It was the same nurturing voice that I bring in my own facilitation practice with all of my clients.

But it was directed toward me. And that felt new and different. And it wasn't intentional. That's just what was pulling through.

Christy McCranie (: 52:11

That's one of the things I love about kambo. So much just happens. It's

Lina Midla (: 52:15

Mm.

Christy McCranie (: 52:16

just happening. And if we are in a space to notice, it's like, my gosh, what happened? When I came out of my first three-day ceremony, it was a good two months later that I looked back and I was like, my gosh, look at everything that's changed. I wasn't even aware of all the different decisions I was making. I wasn't plotting, I wasn't planning. It just there was a shift in the way.

my paradigm was set and I just started going that way. And coming out of divorce and really not knowing where I'm gonna go. And I was, you know, mid empty nest. I had no idea where I was like, what is happening next? I just had no clue. And it just like, try this. And off I went. Like, okay, there it is. But it wasn't all these decisions in my mind. It was finding the flow and not fighting it. But I didn't even know I wasn't fighting it. It just happened.

Lina Midla (: 53:10

Yeah, it's like it's like the current is redirecting you a little bit

Christy McCranie (: 53:13

Yes.

Lina Midla (: 53:14

at a time. Like you're going when you allow yourself to go with the current of life, it starts

Christy McCranie (: 53:19

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 53:19

to move, and then you just get like a little redirection, and then you start moving on a different trajectory that you didn't even know you were heading toward. and that kind of brought me to like day three for me. I had a little fear coming into day three just because I did feel better at the by the end of day two. I like walked into day three feeling.

Good. and then the worry of like having to get on a plane and what if this happens again? What if I don't feel great again came through. and so we ended up going with two gates on my right arm, and we left open the possibility for a third. but I remember my intention was vibrancy and aliveness and just to really bring that that inner.

energy forward. And that's it. It was mild. And it felt different than the than the other two. And there was a piece of me that was worried, right? The the overachiever, the adrenaline junkie side of me, the the all or nothing driving intensity, the former CrossFit athlete, the former raw food vegan at one point, like like similar to you. Like I'm either all in or all out. And what I've been

Christy McCranie (: 54:34

All out yeah.

Lina Midla (: 54:35

And what I've been teaching and working on over the last several years has been this minimum effective dose of stress. That yes, we want to stress the system, but we don't, we're not chasing catharsis or peak experiences. It's it's the stress is designed to expand our capacity and our resilience, not knock us flat on our on our butts and and and and in a in a punitive way or

In a I get five gold stars for for doing the most or doing it the best kind of way. And I remember sitting with the medicine, allowing it to work, allowing myself to notice that it felt good. And my eyes popped open mid mid-ceremony. And I remember I looked at you and I was like, wait, I'm still getting all the benefits, right? Even if we don't add another gate.

Christy McCranie (: 55:29

Yeah.

Lina Midla (: 55:31

and and you were like, Yeah.

Yeah, you're getting all the benefits. and so the the the biggest like overarching arc, aha for me with with this particular kambo sit was that intensity does not equal efficacy. And I talk about it, and that's the way I program movement and the way that we work with breath and with cold. But as a as a human in my own evolution.

Kambo brought that back up in front of me again and was like, Are you sure this is what you believe? Because this is that was that was the hardest part of the sit for me, Christy was

Not pushing intensity, not going like five gates on the sacrum day two. Let's rip and roar. And understanding too that like maybe one day, that the three-day sit is not the end of the relationship. That it's not like

Christy McCranie (: 56:25

Anybody? Right.

Lina Midla (: 56:28

this is it, that's all you get, and never again. It it it allowed for what I needed in the day.

in in in that weekend in in what I needed. And also I have this like underlying current now of like, that's not my last sit. So I don't have to treat it so preciously, so get all of the juice out of the lemon, because this is the only lemon you're you're gonna get. and I actually I remember the question that I wanted to ask you earlier. And that is why three sits? Like what is what is it about that initial inoculation that's important?

Christy McCranie (: 57:06

Well, going back to the doorway example, it's not necessarily it doesn't necessarily come from the Amazonian tradition. But in our culture and doing it here, to sit with kambo one time is one experience, and you've just turned the doorknob. You haven't fully experienced what it has to offer. It's it's the the appetizer, right? Just getting to know. So

If you walk away from one sit thinking I've done kambo, I mean technically, but it's so different every time it shows up that we want a person who's never done it before to get a full experience. And it's been kind of wrapped in this bow of technically you can do three sits in a lunar cycle, would scratch that itch I offer for new people three sits in a row because in my experience.

After that first one, sometimes people are like, got it, don't want to do it again, even if they paid for three, like it's two weeks away, whatever. I think you need it packaged that way when you first walk in to get the most from it and for some people to start building relationship with the medicine. Some people do the three and they never do it again, and that's fine. I'm starting groups where we get together once a month and sit with it, partly to build community, because there aren't a lot of people in my area that are familiar with kambo. So

It can be ongoing, but what it isn't is a religion or a way that you have to do life. It's just a tool so that as life presents you with difficulties, you have support processing them and really coming to terms with those difficulties and letting go, not having the sandbags tied to you or baggage that you drag into your next situation. So the three sits give you the full picture.

And then you can decide do I want a relationship or was that all I needed for now?

Lina Midla (: 59:01

I think that's so wise, because I I experienced that a lot with the ice bath too, right? That first one is exit exhilarating and fun and it's novel. And people are excited even when they leave. But the second sit is harder because you kind of you know what to expect. and you know it's gonna be hard. And yes, there's this like a great feeling that that comes on on the other side of it. The part of the the parasympathetic rebound is what we we call it in

in cold plunging. And I'm I'm guessing it's kind of similar with with kambo. but that that's so that's so wise. I I like I said we could talk for three hours about this. I I I love it

Christy McCranie (: 59:42

We got.

Lina Midla (: 59:42

so much. I want to hear more about so your relationship and experience with kambo, this huge new direction your life moved you into completely changed the trajectory of where

Christy McCranie (: 59:54

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 59:55

you're going and what you're doing. And there is

Another part of you, a multi-hyphenate part of you that you're also bringing forward right now, even outside of kambo facilitation. What else are you working on?

Christy McCranie (: 1:00:10

So my partner, Kevin and I have written a book, and it's going to be published in mid-January of 27. And it is, I say it every time, it is his story, 100%, his story. When we were dating in the first year, his texts were so romantic and so well constructed. I was like, You should write a romance. And he's retired Green Beret. And he's like, Yeah, I got space right now. So he wrote some chapters.

And sent them to me. And I was like, I I wasn't wrong. This guy can actually write. And so we've spent two years with him writing, and me editing. And now we've found a publisher to help us with it. And it's the two main characters are loosely based on us. She's a woman coming out of a nasty divorce, and he's a retired Green Beret, but it's a domestic thriller. It's like underground railroad and child trafficking and

mysteries to be solved and the rich guys in the town trying to get her house that she's renovating. It's such a fun story. and that I mean we were doing that partly for fun. We were both in this transition of life and like I didn't I didn't have a job job. I was just taking care of the kids, the last two kids at home and he was in between. And it just turned into this whole thing.

It's been a great project for us to work on together. And actually he's talking about getting trained to serve kambo as well because we just we're just like this. Like we want to write these stories together. And he's like, I want to serve with you. And he has a desire to serve veterans and because in the psychedelic world world in kambo, just such great strides

Lina Midla (: 1:01:47

Mm.

Christy McCranie (: 1:01:48

helping people with PTSD coming out of the military. So so yeah, I'm very excited about the book.

And like I said, it'll be probably pre-order mid-December and then it comes out in January, and we're already working on the second one. So it's it's been just a blast because as my practitioner says, it's supposed to be fun. Serving you kambo was so fun. The text going for days afterwards about how you were integrate, I just find all of that fun. You throwing up was fun, like for me.

it's just amazing to me where life has taken me. without I I had no plan. This is completely against what my parents taught. Like, make a plan, execute the plan. I'm like, I had no plan. And life did this.

It just it's perfect. So it's very exciting.

Lina Midla (: 1:02:38

I'm so excited. I'm excited to read it. for my community, once it gets closer to pre-sale, we'll make sure to make the the link

Christy McCranie (: 1:02:44

Thank you.

Lina Midla (: 1:02:45

available. how

Christy McCranie (: 1:02:47

Appreciate

Lina Midla (: 1:02:47

can people work with you now, Christy? I mean, we've been talking now for a little over an hour. You got some of my experience, you heard from Christy. If people are kambo curious,

Christy McCranie (: 1:02:58

I'm so curious. So go to Christy McCraney dot com and you said that would be in the show notes. And

Lina Midla (: 1:03:04

Yeah, we'll put that in the show notes.

Christy McCranie (: 1:03:05

I'm really I love serving couples in particular. That is a beautiful space. and that can be a harder space to get both people in the couple to come. So along with that, those inoculations, sitting with one person, if if you're wanting to do it with your partner and your partner's like that ain't gonna happen.

Then I would say reach out to me through my website. We can set up a discovery call because no words explain the shift, the potential shift, like doing it yourself. If this is for you. And a large portion of the people that come to me, not not you, Lina because you were already so far into your breathwork and coming back home, but lots of people are starting at square one, like I was. So I serve sideways. I'm not, I'm not gonna blast you. We're gonna go at this gently because you've been through a lot. And

see what kambo can do to get you where you want to be.

Lina Midla (: 1:03:58

I love that. I love the the sideways approach, the the non-egoic attachment. And yes, it's it's fun for you. And also the container that you that you hold is just so warm and beautiful and and safe. And you know, I I the the integrations are still happening for me. And every once in a while I'll shoot you a text with another.

layer and really what it uncovered for me was how tired I was and how over capacity I was functioning. And that's really what what kambo lifted the veil of for me was this like almost like accessory nervous system that was running on top of my nervous system to keep me moving forward. when that was lifted and we looked under the hood, it was like, wow, like you've been, you haven't changed your oil in a long time. You've been running with an, you know,

not good oil in your car.

Christy McCranie (: 1:04:54

Mm-hmm.

Lina Midla (: 1:04:54

and and coming out of that was was so important. And that's another thing that I think is really important when you're looking for a facilitator in in anything that brings you into your inner work is not just that peak experience, not just the sales call, but what does support and integration look like on the back end? Because that's really when the work begins. It's not during the guess you will have some aha's and peak moments.

But if you're just chasing peak moments, if you're just thinking I did the work and now, you know, I can just go back to life as as it was, that you're missing the opportunity. And and Christy does such an you do such an incredible job of of of holding of holding the container even beyond the three days or you know, if there's like a recurring day that you're working with somebody during. And that's that's so important. we're gonna

put links to everything in the show notes. And actually I'm going to try to link Christy did I I I allowed Christy to take video of of me during my experience across the three days. part of it for me was can I can I do that and also not be in performance mode. Like that was something that was really important for me. But she captured it so beautifully I'm going to link those reels into the show notes as well. So if you want to

come alongside my experience through a time-lapsed phone that was set up and and all the things. you can take a look at all of that. and Christy, I'm just Yes. yes, yes, yes.

Christy McCranie (: 1:06:25

Follow me on Instagram too, if you're not ready for discovery calls and all that. Just go

to Instagram and check me out. Because you want somebody that matches your energy. So I love what you did. Like get on there and see what people are about and see if it matches with what you're about.

Lina Midla (: 1:06:40

And if it does, the other thing that I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get Christy up here to Indianapolis to hang out with me for a little while. Want to get her into an ice bath and maybe into the studio to do some things.

Christy McCranie (: 1:06:52

yes.

Lina Midla (: 1:06:53

but but part of what I'm noodling too is maybe having her set up in residency here for a few days and and bring some some people

Christy McCranie (: 1:07:02

Yes, please.

Lina Midla (: 1:07:03

forward in a in a kambo container. So if you're feeling called to it.

Follow her all the places, definitely check it out. Do your due diligence. and Christy, thank you, thank you so much for for for coming on, for sharing, for for stepping into this work, for being brave and leading by example and and really illustrating that life is always about evolution. And just because you've done some things a certain way for a certain amount of time,

It's not a sentence that's written in stone. We're always here

Christy McCranie (: 1:07:35

No

Lina Midla (: 1:07:36

to grow and evolve. And as the seasons change and as our ideas change and as we change, you're you're leading by showing us that you can always evolve and change and grow. And it's it's

Christy McCranie (: 1:07:50

Adapt and adjust.

Lina Midla (: 1:07:52

it's such an inspiration to me

Christy McCranie (: 1:07:54

Thank you.

Lina Midla (: 1:07:54

personally. so thank you so much.

And until next time, keep cultivating

Christy McCranie (: 1:08:00

nice.

Lina Midla (: 1:08:01

your resilience and unleashing your limitless potential.